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Posted: June 18 2008,23:40 QUOTE
I *have* read the license and it doesn't restrict anyone from "butchering" or doing whatever they want, so long as they make the sources available (order the freaking sources CD yet?!) and make the proper copyright attributions. Now answer this: Where has DSL complied with these terms before your panties got all twisted up because they decided the bindings were useful even if the way YOU chose to use them weren't in the best interests for DSL? If you've wanted compliance, you're kind of late to the party. Hypocrite.

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Posted: June 18 2008,23:58 QUOTE
Alright guys. You're just tossing the ball back and forth to each other...not getting anywhere.

John,
I don't know you and I don't know diddly about programming. I have been around this project for probably at least 6yrs. I know John and Robert personally and have been around here as different events have happened in this distro. That includes times when John A. and myself haven't seen eye to eye.

All I know is that BOTH of these men try VERY hard to run DSL in a professional manner and have always cared greatly about honoring licenses. Having license descriptions within the mydsl extensions and such are their requirements of the community. They have had code 'lifted' by other projects without due credit and know how that feels. Robert lives and breathes software development and always has great concern for honoring licenses and doing the right thing. He and I had many discussions about those very things when I was building a distro for my non-profit work. I don't believe for ONE SECOND that anything malicious or backhanded has been done by these two men.

I am personally disappointed in your approach to this issue as I feel that you should have talked to John and/or Robert directly before throwing this out in public and posting a link in this forum. You surely knew that people like lucky13 would react. Seems getting a "reaction" was really more of a priority than resolving the issue.

I believe what you are saying was done maliciously was really discussed very openly in the following thread. I read through it and I think the discussion started where I linked and continued for several pages. Seems like it was a very open discussion for all the world to read.

DSL4.3 thread

I hope for now you will cease to discuss this issue openly until you have a conversation with John and/or Robert.

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Posted: June 18 2008,23:59 QUOTE
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I *have* read the license and it doesn't restrict anyone from "butchering" or doing whatever they want, so long as they make the sources available (order the freaking sources CD yet?!) and make the proper copyright attributions. Now answer this: Where has DSL complied with these terms before your panties got all twisted up because they decided the bindings were useful even if the way YOU chose to use them weren't in the best interests for DSL? If you've wanted compliance, you're kind of late to the party. Hypocrite.

OK, you are pretty sad ...

And don't read very well :-)

Actually you decided what the reality was a long time ago, and I guess you are consistent because you are sticking to it despite all the evidence to the contrary ... So I'll give you a senility kudos if you like ;-)

Do you always handle it this badly when people disagree with you ?

Anyway ...

Terms 1) and 2) (sections a) and c)) are being violated, and some of the source is already being distributed in DSL without attributions ... I don't need to order the CDs to see that as the violations are occurring regardless of that (as I have tried to explain 4 times - my hard headed friend).

Go on do some basic research yourself.

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Posted: June 19 2008,00:06 QUOTE
Quote (clivesay @ June 18 2008,23:58)
I am personally disappointed in your approach to this issue as I feel that you should have talked to John and/or Robert directly before throwing this out in public and posting a link in this forum. You surely knew that people like lucky13 would react. Seems getting a "reaction" was really more of a priority than resolving the issue.

It is intelectual property theft ... I take that seriously.

To be honest I was shocked by how unnecessary it all was - I do admit that lucky's contempt towards the work and ideas of others has pushed things a little.

Quote (clivesay @ June 18 2008,23:58)

I believe what you are saying was done maliciously was really discussed very openly in the following thread. I read through it and I think the discussion started where I linked and continued for several pages. Seems like it was a very open discussion for all the world to read.

Didn't say it was maliciously, I merely pointed out the problems with the approach ... Namely that is illegal, dumb, and caused bad blood.

I waiting for a response and I am hoping for solutions ... I was hoping to calm down by engaging the community, but lucky has ensured that didn't happen.

Either way I am going to sleep now and hope something happens by morning.

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OK, you are pretty sad ...

You're irrational, you're upset, you're by your own admission "not reasonable." IOW, your impressions of everything are @*#&ed up. Come back after you've taken your medication or slept it off or found your "happy place." I'm not going to get in a flame war with someone as hypersensitive as you are. And please don't call me your friend with or without adjectives. With your attitude, you never will be mine.

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