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Posted: June 20 2008,13:04 QUOTE
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do you think the constant mud-slinging reflects badly on me our you ?

See the locked thread if you want to see mud-slinging. You sure as hell threw more than your share, especially when you chose to ignore the questions I asked regarding which part of this you had a problem with, why you were okay with the way things were before wrt attributions, what it would take to resolve the matter peaceably, etc.

I don't suffer fools or petulant little prima donnas very well. You have your flaws, I have mine.

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Posted: June 20 2008,13:12 QUOTE
After this incident, dslcore may be a good clean slate to make sure our house is in order all the way around, especially in regards to DSL extensions. I know that, personally, I'm not real schooled on all the licensing. This may be a call for all of us to get up to speed a little better and learn a little more. I know I will when building my extensions for the core. Robert is supplying the core so I feel that it's the community's responsibility to carry some of the load and help with this. Obviously, lucky13 has studied the GPL and maybe can be a big help with guiding the rest of us.

This thread is getting off topic a little so maybe time for a dedicated thread for handling extension sources and licensing?

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Posted: June 20 2008,13:16 QUOTE
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I have mine.
One of them is obstinance.  However wise and helpful you are most times, there are times when I wish you would just compromise just a little.  Life isn't all black&white/right&wrong/yin&yang, and ideals are seldom universally shared. We often have to back off a little even when we believe we're right.  Think about G. W. Bush for a second....how does his stubbornness solve any problems?

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Posted: June 20 2008,14:10 QUOTE
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do you think the constant mud-slinging reflects badly on me our you ?

See the locked thread if you want to see mud-slinging. You sure as hell threw more than your share, especially when you chose to ignore the questions I asked regarding which part of this you had a problem with, why you were okay with the way things were before wrt attributions, what it would take to resolve the matter peaceably, etc.

I don't suffer fools or petulant little prima donnas very well. You have your flaws, I have mine.

Re-reading the thread I can't see you being quite as reasonable as you describe, but the evidence is there for all to see, so people can make their mind up for themselves (one of the reasons I wanted it preserved).

It reminds me of a Lewis Carroll quote, along the lines that if you say something enough times people (including oneself), will believe it to be true regardless of of the truth.

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Posted: June 20 2008,15:06 QUOTE
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However wise and helpful you are most times, there are times when I wish you would just compromise just a little.

I'm very much open to compromise, but it takes two parties to do that. In this case, one party decided to accuse the other of theft, license infringement, "butchering" and "molesting," etc. I didn't choose how to license murgalua, Murga did. I didn't bundle the murgalua tarball, Murga did. Read through all his documentation and license information, copyright attribution requirements, etc. Then come back and weigh what I've written and asked against his continued attacks on others here and his new demands to resolve this issue. I wasn't shooting any blanks, he was the moment he cast the first stones. And the second. And the third...

On the grounds (alone) that he infers DSL needed his permission to use his GPL'ed code before, I wouldn't touch it because that's not what GPL is about. I respect Robert's and John's decisions to reach whatever truce they can with such an irrational, unbalanced individual. I just hope that placating him now doesn't end up with more trouble down the road if and when his feelings get hurt again. And that's all this was about. Not about the license but about Murga's fragile ego.

Feel free to work with Murga and reach your own compromises with whomever you want whenever you want on whatever terms you want. I can and and do and will respect that. But respect me enough in return to not demand or wish I would reach similar compromise with anyone who moves his goalposts, who shoots first and asks questions later, and who chooses to lash out at everyone he disagrees with when the terms under which he licensed something allow for the very thing he objected to in the first place to be done.

(minor edit to clarify)

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